So by March 1974 we put, we formed the association, we had a model constitution, we had a model charity registration, constitution, and we had a technical description, plus the analytical time and methods thing I'd done with my students at Aberystwyth.

So the modern talking newspaper, 29 identified in 1974, in 1978 was the actual, as promised our first directorate, and it was run by Philip Brew who'd become, I was chairman and he was secretary for the National Association. About 278 addresses in there.